Christogenea Open Forum Programs


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The Christogenea Open Forum was a call-in program which ran from late 2010 until mid 2012 when it was replaced by Christogenea Saturdays. The Christogenea European Fellowship Forum ran twice monthly until mid 2012, when travels and marriage made it too difficult for us to keep scheduled. While some of these programs are topical and remain here, most of these archives are housed at the Christogenea Archive website.

Newspaper Eschatology - Christogenea Forum Call 01-03-11

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This Open Forum program was originally done because Eli James (aka Joseph November), whom I was working with at the time on Friday and Saturday evenings, had a program called The Restoration Hour on another network on Sunday nights, where he was claiming that the Gulf Stream had stopped due to the oil spill, and millions of Europeans were going to freeze to death in the cold. I tried to talk to him about his ridiculous prophecies, so I did this program to disclaim the things he was promoting. I did not mention Eli personally because while our relationship was troubled, I was trying to work things out and be diplomatic with him. But just a few weeks later, we split over even more serious conflicts.

Frozen Niagara Falls photos at the Saxon Messenger

The End of Genesis Heresy - 01-17-11

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There was a technical glitch at the end of the program and the last few minutes of the recording were cut off. It does not affect the presentation, except for an abrupt ending. We apologize for that.

The End of Genesis Heresy

Many people in Christian Israel Identity operate on emotion, and with an agenda, rather than simply examining and following the truth of the written Word - which is consistent from one end of the Bible to the other, as they would find if they would just read it, while, of course, also considering those relatively few verses which are clearly proven to be corrupted or mistranslated. But people would rather take short cuts, and both believe and profess things which may sound good and which may seem to present simple solutions to things hard to understand, but which do not represent real scholarship, and then they always run into problems later. Tonight I plan to go through the entire Genesis scenario once again...

My Response to Eli James' Coming Out as a Universalist

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Christogenea Forum Call 01-24-11. Yes, I did call him that, and no, I do not apologize for it. Yes, I was angry, because he had suddenly begun to betray so many of his own former professions. How did he agree with me hundreds of times before?

I have worked with Eli James for over two years, and have found those years to be productive and enjoyable. However sooner or later the tree always shows its fruit. Here, absolutely contrary to any claims ever made by a Two-Seedline Christian Identity Pastor, and contrary to all Biblical teaching, Eli James asserts that Yahweh will save even His sworn enemies! How is this not Universalism?

This excerpt was from Eli's Voice of Christian Israel program, beginning around the 63-minute mark, on Sunday, January 23rd, 2011.

On Psalm 137:9 - Christogenea Forum Call 02-21-11

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KJV Habakkuk 3:1 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth.
2 O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.
3 God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.
4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.
6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting.
7 I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction: and the curtains of the land of Midian did tremble.
8 Was the LORD displeased against the rivers? was thine anger against the rivers? was thy wrath against the sea, that thou didst ride upon thine horses and thy chariots of salvation?
9 Thy bow was made quite naked, according to the oaths of the tribes, even thy word. Selah. Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.
10 The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, and lifted up his hands on high.
11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear....

All Israel Shall Be Saved - Christogenea Forum Call 02-28-11

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All Israel Shall Indeed be Saved

1 Corinthians 2:14 Now the natural man does not accept that of the Spirit of Yahweh, for it is folly to him, and he is not able to know because it is inquired of spiritually; 15 but the spiritual inquires into all things, and it by no one is examined. 16 "For who has known the mind of Yahweh? Who will instruct Him?” But we have the perception of Christ.

(Jer 50:17-20 KJV)

17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones. 18 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.19 And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead.20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

(Jer 33:6-9 KJV)

Caleb the Israelite, and other topics - Christogenea Forum Call 03-07-11

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On Caleb the Israelite:

Okay, today I thought I would try to clear something up, which I tried to do last week in an email, but the person who wrote to me just didn't get it when I answered. I will take the blame for that, and Yahweh willing, maybe I can do better here.

Concerning the Caleb of the book of Joshua – a hero of those of the spies who searched out Jericho - I have seen this same contention many times before, that he is pointed out to be an Edomite simply because Esau had a son named Kenaz, and Caleb had a grandfather named Kenaz. They take further advantage of a part of Numbers 14:24 where it says that Caleb “had another spirit with him” to try to make their wayward case for universalism. Their attitude is generally that if an Edomite (as they claim Caleb to be) can be saved, can't everyone else be saved?

This is sort of like insisting that General George Washington and George Washington Carver must be related, simply because they shared a name. It is odd how people think of the Bible – or rather, don't think of the Bible – that they can read it and its context does not matter: if two things sound alike, they must be alike. Such a perception is quite childish, to say the least.

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